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	<title>Comments on: Ad Reductionum</title>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://total.eclipse.co.il/2006/11/16/ad-reductionum/comment-page-1/#comment-17485</link>
		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting. 

Like any position in philosophy, it&#039;s a matter of weighing pros and cons really. Those reductionists will have to pay a hefty price for sticking with naive reductionism. For example, they&#039;d have a hard time arguing against dualism from a point of parsimony or simplicity if they accept a world where something as daily and mundane as pain is identified as an infinity of conjuct physical facts. How is their explanatory power more robust in this sense than a nonphysicalist account?

I haven&#039;t thought of this in a while (this post is form 2006), but I believe reductionism itself might be inconsistent with this sort of &quot;infinite regress&quot; of facts-to-identity.  Obviously, there&#039;s approaches which don&#039;t adhere to this sort of naive identity statement in the first place,  but the main issue is accepting that contrary to common misconception, the scientific method itself is moving towards accepting explanatory models which include macroscopic events which are irreducible to microscopic events. We don&#039;t have an explanation of emergence yet, but denying it completely is looking more and more an ad-hocist position, and not something which fits well with our understanding of physics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting. </p>
<p>Like any position in philosophy, it&#8217;s a matter of weighing pros and cons really. Those reductionists will have to pay a hefty price for sticking with naive reductionism. For example, they&#8217;d have a hard time arguing against dualism from a point of parsimony or simplicity if they accept a world where something as daily and mundane as pain is identified as an infinity of conjuct physical facts. How is their explanatory power more robust in this sense than a nonphysicalist account?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t thought of this in a while (this post is form 2006), but I believe reductionism itself might be inconsistent with this sort of &#8220;infinite regress&#8221; of facts-to-identity.  Obviously, there&#8217;s approaches which don&#8217;t adhere to this sort of naive identity statement in the first place,  but the main issue is accepting that contrary to common misconception, the scientific method itself is moving towards accepting explanatory models which include macroscopic events which are irreducible to microscopic events. We don&#8217;t have an explanation of emergence yet, but denying it completely is looking more and more an ad-hocist position, and not something which fits well with our understanding of physics.</p>
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		<title>By: n.e</title>
		<link>http://total.eclipse.co.il/2006/11/16/ad-reductionum/comment-page-1/#comment-17484</link>
		<dc:creator>n.e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately, the thoroughgoing physicalist/reductionist will just bite the bullet and say that pain is identical with a conjunct of physical facts of infinite length -- they hold that fundamentally irreducible phenomena are nonexistent.  the problem is that for any strict reductionist, most concepts reduce to the same general sort of definition, and telling them that there are too many variables or circumstances to quantify it will only dig them in deeper.  i like your argument, but i don&#039;t think that it really has the ability to sway the egregiously naive empirical realists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately, the thoroughgoing physicalist/reductionist will just bite the bullet and say that pain is identical with a conjunct of physical facts of infinite length &#8212; they hold that fundamentally irreducible phenomena are nonexistent.  the problem is that for any strict reductionist, most concepts reduce to the same general sort of definition, and telling them that there are too many variables or circumstances to quantify it will only dig them in deeper.  i like your argument, but i don&#8217;t think that it really has the ability to sway the egregiously naive empirical realists.</p>
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